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Da li mozete da uradite istu stvar dva puta?

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 Da li mozete da uradite istu stvar dva puta?

Postod ~NazguL~ u Pon Jan 03, 2005 11:15 am

Prema mom misljenju ne mozete.Evo zashto

argument1:Vi ste iz sekunde u sekundu razlicita osoba.Brojacano ste isti ali kvalitativno(u ovom sluchaju fizichki i(li) psihichki)ste razlichiti.Svake sekunde vi niste iste osoba.Dakle vi ste druga osoba.Zbog toga vi ne mozete da uradite istu stvar 2 puta.



argument 2:Vi ne mozete na primer da pogledate isti
sat 2 puta.On stari i menjase iz sekunde u sekundu.Cim se menja on nije isti sat.On je drugi sat.

razmislite o tome


Ako imate bilo kakve ideje postujte to ovde ili mi poslaite mejl na milosmla@ptt.yu
freddie gonna get you!
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Postod Rainbow u Pon Jan 03, 2005 4:50 pm

Mrzim i volim. Pitaces me mozda zasto to radim. Ne znam, osecam da je tako i to me muci.
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Postod elfovkinja u Pon Jan 03, 2005 5:03 pm

And then there was silence
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Postod lightmath u Pon Jan 03, 2005 7:25 pm

Kad vec idemo u sitnicarenje onda cu reci da istu stvar verovatno ne mogu da uradim samo dva puta ali mogu beskonacno mnogo puta.
Sad malo objasnjenje :)
Ako prihvatimo da je dovoljno da bi se dve stvari razlikovale da se dese u razlicitim trenucima vremena ili na razlicitim mestima onda je jasno da je nemoguce ponoviti istu stvar dva puta u razlicito vreme ili na razlicitom mestu u prostoru.
Ali sta je sprecava da se ponavlja istovremeno na istom mestu.
Koliko puta se nesta desava istovremeno na istom mestu? Jednom? Dvaput? Mozda vise puta?
Ja bi rekao beskonacno.
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Postod alcesta u Pon Jan 03, 2005 8:01 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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Postod Smorock u Uto Jan 04, 2005 11:39 pm

Inzenjerski pristup filozofiji.
Ako se covek menja iz trenutka u trenutak, onda se i radnja menja iz trenutka u trenutak.
Ako je poenta dohvatiti flasu sa police, u jednom momentu, ti koji dohvacas flasu si covek ver 1.0, a flasa, takodje podlozna zakonima vremena (jer sve ima vreme raspada, tj poluraspada) je casa ver 1.0.
Prilikom ponavljanja radnje ti si covek ver 1.2, a flasa takodje ver 1.2, obzirom da su obe stvari podlozne uticaju objektivne stvarnosti koja postoji.

Istina je da mozete flasu dohvatiti sa police dva puta, i radnja ce biti ista, obzirom na stanje flase pre i posle radnje.
Moj zakljucak je da mozes uraditi istu stvar dva puta - dohvatiti flasu, ali vrsilac radnje i objekat nece biti isti kao pocetni, iako ce oboje pretrpeti iste promene x obzirom da postoje i podlozni su zakonima istog prostorno vremenskog kontinuuma.

Ukoliko bismo prihvatili da su covek ver 1.0 i covek ver 1.2 dva razlicita coveka, kako bi onda definisao postojanje coveka kao takvog?
U odnosu na vreme, covek= covek + vreme, dakle osnova je ista. A kako je flasa takodje flasa +vreme, dobijamo da je (covek + flasa)*vreme u stvari konstanta c*vreme, cime dobijamo da nas prostorno vremenski kontinuum kome pripadamo i po cijim zakonim zivimo, u ovom aspektu zavisi od vremena kao promenljive.

Ergo, mozes pogledati dva puta na sat, i videti promenu, a kako si i sam podlozan istoj promeni radnja ostaje ista.

Obzirom da su obe stvari prosle istu promenu - njihov odnos je ostao isti, tako da je i radnja ista.

Dva put nista je nista, crva nije ni bilo.
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Postod ~NazguL~ u Sre Jan 05, 2005 10:16 am

freddie gonna get you!
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Postod Isatche u Sre Jan 05, 2005 1:25 pm

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Postod Smorock u Čet Jan 06, 2005 4:02 pm

Zen i umetnost gazenja tenkom.
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Postod ~NazguL~ u Pet Jan 07, 2005 4:08 pm

freddie gonna get you!
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Postod ~NazguL~ u Pet Jan 07, 2005 4:09 pm

freddie gonna get you!
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Postod Isatche u Pet Jan 07, 2005 5:42 pm

Meni ne delujes kao da razmisljas preterano... :D
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Postod Smorock u Pet Jan 07, 2005 6:13 pm

Ja se ne lozim. Imam centralno grejanje.
Hail to Isatche :)
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Postod Magnum Innominandum u Pet Jan 14, 2005 10:42 pm

A nada poslednja strada
I umrla je šta ćemo sada
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Postod Smorock u Sub Jan 15, 2005 9:14 pm

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