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 Vestacka inteligencije ?!?

Postod Urtel u Pet Avg 08, 2003 11:45 pm

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Postod TheSerbianRaven u Sub Avg 09, 2003 4:52 pm

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Postod Sauron u Pon Avg 11, 2003 2:52 am

I tako... napravimo mi veštačku inteligenciju... i krene ona da se zabavlja... da igra igrice... da gleda filmove... i tako jednog dana inzajmi film Matrix. Odgleda film i dođe na jednu strava ideju...
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Postod BEAST u Pon Avg 11, 2003 12:00 pm




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Postod Telpareon Kalenae u Pet Avg 15, 2003 7:02 pm

Mislim da potezanje pitanja AI neodvojivo poteže i dovodi u pitanje mnoge religijske okvire, jer čovekova nemoć da spozna sveobuhvatnost inteligencije, odnosno rada svog mozga i najveće nevernike tera da to pripišu bogu, prirodu, svemiru ili slično.

Definitivno sam za to da nam AI nije potreban i da bi čovečanstvo trebalo da usavrši prvo svoj mozak koji koristi oko 5-10% ako se ne varam. Nadam se da bi ovakvo usavršavanje dovelo do progresije čovečanstva a ne do izmišljanja sve pohlepnijih i pohlepnijih ciljeva i metoda za ostvarenje istih.

Dakle, moj definitivan stav je AI - NE!

Ne treba nam i to zlo, to je moj stav!
Among the eternal symmetry of stars
Beings dwelt in a realm of light
Below the horizons of hopes and signs
Covered by shelter of shadow and night

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Postod Northwind u Ned Avg 17, 2003 8:27 pm

My light shall be the moon
 and my path - the ocean.
My guide the morning star
 as I sail home to you.


 Sail away where the wind blows sweet and young birds fly
Take a sister by her hand
Lead her far from this barren land
Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cry and
Stare as all you human feelings die
We are leaving
You don't need us

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Postod Lona Pilind u Pon Avg 18, 2003 6:01 am

In the darkness of the future past,great magician longs to C the door between two worlds,FIRE WALK WITH ME!
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Postod Urtel u Pet Avg 22, 2003 11:24 pm

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 Hladna logika se vodi svrhom, tj primarnim programom... ali,

Postod Lona Pilind u Sub Avg 23, 2003 8:11 pm

... cini mi se da će jedna takva masina (aj da ne bude masina, nek bude AI) puno zavisiti od svrhe koju mu primarno programer usadi. Moglo bi se reci da se ljudski rod moze sumirati potrebom za samoodrzanjem. Stoga je fantasticna karakteristika nas data u onoj igrici, recima : keer your peasents happy, and make them multiply! Ali, zasto pomisljamo da ce AI stremiti skupljanju znajnja? Koja je svrha toga? Hladna logika nista ne radi bez razloga. To je nerentabilno, i nelogicno. Za svaki postupak mora postojati dobar razlog. Da citiramo izvesnog gospodina, kad bi AI upravljao ljujorkom, u kojem bi došlo do velikih požara, on bi kompletnu vodu grada prebavio na gašenje tih požara. Ne vodeći pri tome racuna da je ljudima voda potrebna u još neprevazidjeno velikom broju delatnosti, na kraju, zivotu.
Smatram da bi AI satro ljudski rod samo iz jednog razloga - zato sto su nepotrebni, a smetaju. Zamislite kako se oseća siroti pacov :)
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 Re: Hladna logika se vodi svrhom, tj primarnim programom...

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Postod Eladan u Uto Avg 26, 2003 1:39 pm

Definitivno će u vrlo skoroj budućnosti morati da dodje do proboja na ovom polju. Čovek je svestan da mu ovakav pomagač treba na mnogim poljima, a mislim i da postaje svestan da je scenario po kom neka veštačka inteligencija porobljava čovečanstvo prilično nerealan. Algoritmi o kojima pričate se već dobrano razrađuju i neki pomaci se već vide (kao banalan primer, naveo bih Hondinog robota koji je promovisan u ambasadora dobre volje Japana u Češkoj Republici (robot inače tečno govori češki i prilično se ljudski ponaša)). A što bi neko rekao, kada dodje na veliku pozornicu, nema ograničenja za jednu ovakvu inteligenciju. Ona će biti generator razvoja čovečanstva u narednim vekovima
...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod Dreadlord aka Melkor u Čet Nov 20, 2003 11:57 am

E sad poshto se veliku Guru vratio na ovaj forum, a zajedno sa njim jedini lik koji je komplet skontao matrix, i koji komplet veruje u matrix.
Zashto? Drugi put ima i cela filozofija o tome.

Trenutak kad se napravi AI sa IQ 1 nastaje apokalipsa. Nepostoji teoretska mogucnost da se taj AI ne razvije u IQ PArtquantnotriliona, jer "mashina za razliku od nas daleko brze razvija IQ" (By Oxford)

Da ne postoji IQ 1, nebi postojali Sims. Ili ti elaborirali smo da je IQ 1, zapravo IQ Parquanotiliona. E sad jedini zajeb ce biti kad neku fabriku robota (ovih japanski degenerisanih) okachimo na nete i skroz kompjuterizujemo - aka celu proizvodnju kontrolishe mashina nakachena na net bez ijednog choveka (to sad nepostoji, uvek postoji jedan baja koji podeshava par stvari) jerbo ce onda nash Overmind stupiti u kontak sa njim, dizajnirati svoju superiornu fizichku inkarnaciju, multiplicirati si par miliona puta i najebati se keve nama, a onda ce da nastane shto Terminator shto Matrix ako vec nije.

Lichno verujem da se Matrix odavno desio, i da smo mi sad u njemu ili nechemu slichno. Kao shto rekoh ima mnogo stvari koje ukazuju na to al me sad mrzi da pishem malo je dugo, pa ce kasnije da otvorim temu sa time...

A shto se tiche protivnika AI-a, chovek nemoze nikad da dostigne teoretsku mogucnost IQ AI-a, koja se (bi se) razvijala sve brze i brze iz dana u dan bez granice...chovek nije preshao IQ 300, mashina bi to preshal u roku od manje od mesece dana od trenutko dobijanja IQ 1...
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Postod Tullamore u Čet Nov 20, 2003 4:01 pm

Oblačić

Oblačići nebom plove sanjivi,
kukuruzi već se beru na njivi,
na put spremna roda s`krova klepeće,
gledajte me kada dodje proleće.


O i da ne zaboravim...
Kumulusi su moji omiljeni oblaci. :D
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Postod Dreadlord aka Melkor u Uto Nov 25, 2003 4:42 pm

Crytalizing The Matrix
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