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Postod S u Pet Mar 12, 2010 6:23 pm

Gil je otprilike sve to dobro objasnila. Mislim da je 400 strana gradiva vrijedno 10 onih bodova ili tako nesto. Sto znaci da ispit koji sad spremam, Istorija filozofije 3 (od Kanta do Nicea) vrijedi 120 bodova, dakle 2 godine studiranja. Eto jednog wtf. A smanjiti svo to gradivo na 400 strana (kroz razne udzbenike i interpretacije) je kontraproduktivno djubre. E sad, problem je sto su program pravili tehnokrate koje ne interesuje tako nesto. Vecina profesora na mom smjeru je bila protiv bolonje jer je nemoguce sve to strpati u bodove i godine, ali kada je naredba stigla od gore, moralo se. I sada imate pogubljene studente koji idu po bolonji, koji rade 2-3 knjige po predmeti, i time ostaju uskraceni za znanje koje im je nuzno. Filozof nece naci bilo kakav posao na osnovu svoje diplome, vec na osnovu znanja. A bolonja, ovakva, ne nudi znanje. Usput sam pricao sa nekim profesorima koji su bili u posjeti nasem fakultetu (iz Svajcarske, Austrije, Njemacke, Spanije i Grcke) koji su svi bili protiv bolonje jer je besmislena za takav smjer ali im je jednostavno naredjeno da pokusaju da predju.
Bolonja na ekonomiji ili softverskom inzenjeringu, dobro uradjena - svakako. Na drustvenim fakultetima, nikako. Ali tupadzije u ovim krajevima ce uvijek misliti da ono sto dolazi iz EU i sa zapada mora znaciti da je tako nesto dobro. Evo jednog sivog primjera http://www.politika.rs/pogledi/Miljenko ... UNU.lt.htm
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Postod draganče u Pet Mar 12, 2010 6:59 pm

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Postod Neosisani u Pet Mar 12, 2010 7:16 pm

S, wiki kaze (a ja mu verujem):

One academic year corresponds to 60 ECTS-credits that are equivalent to 1,500-1,800 hours of study.

ili u prevodu 25-30 sati po EBSP poenu (7.5 sati dnevno, osam meseci godisnje). Ono sto nisam siguran je da li tu ulazi vreme ulozeno (izgubljeno) na fakultetu. Dodatno OET i Mat2 (koj vrede po 7 poena) su 6 casova nedeljno, a ispiti koji vrede 6 poena su 5 casova nedeljno, uracunate lab vezbe i kao procenjeno vreme za projekte (lose procenjeno).

E sad ako tebi treba 300 sati da naucis 400 strana onda ne znam sta da ti kazem. Znam samo da se naucni tekstovi sa sve analizom teorema i letenjem preko referenci citaju brze.

I za one koji su me pogresno shvatili (konkretno u programiranju), ne izgleda gradivo tolko pretesko kolko bih ocekivao od profesora/asistenta da da neke smernice o dizajnu i testiranju (posto ne postoji ispit Testiranje softvera, a Dizajn softvera je tek u cetvrtoj godini).
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Postod Sherif Gile u Pet Mar 12, 2010 9:14 pm

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Postod GilGaladriel u Sub Mar 13, 2010 4:16 am

++I am sorry. It is hard to convey five dimensional ideas in a language evolved to scream defiance at the monkeys in the other tree. ++
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Postod Neosisani u Sub Mar 13, 2010 10:42 am

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Postod draganče u Sub Mar 13, 2010 11:02 am

Dvesta, trista... Koliko zrna za dobar pasulj? Ili treba dobra kobasica?

Na kraju se i ova tema pretvori u masovno samosažaljevanje i međusobno nadmetanje paćenika.
- Kuku meni, moj ispit je trista strana.
- Šta kuku tebi? Lele meni, moj je šesto.
- Moj je dvajes, al su to mnogo zajebane stvari, novi načini razmišljanja, retko ko to može.
- Propatio si ti, pošteno. A i ja sam.
- Jesmo, svi smo propatili.
- Fala bogu, nije naz zahvatila Bolonja, tad bismo postali fah idioti, ovako smo barem slobodni intelektualci.
- Da, spektar tema i horizonti naše kongicije šire se u beskonačnost.
- U nedogled.
- Da. Poljubi me.
- Hoću. Volim te.
- I ja tebe. Oduvek sam te voleo. Pripij se čvrsto uz moje snažne grudi.
- Ah, kako volim tvoj topli dah na mojim usnama.
- Pssst! Ne govorimo više.
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Postod GilGaladriel u Sub Mar 13, 2010 2:53 pm

++I am sorry. It is hard to convey five dimensional ideas in a language evolved to scream defiance at the monkeys in the other tree. ++
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Postod S u Sub Mar 13, 2010 4:13 pm

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++I am sorry. It is hard to convey five dimensional ideas in a language evolved to scream defiance at the monkeys in the other tree. ++
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