od de Hammo u Sre Sep 14, 2005 11:00 pm
Ne postoji direktna indicija da životinje imaju dušu u smislu da za njih postoje Dvorane u kojima čekaju novo rađanje sveta. Ako i imaju dušu, onda je njihova sudbina za nas još nepoznatija od Čovečije. Znači, nemam odgovor na osnovno pitanje, ali imam mala razjašnjenja.
Huan je bio Valarski pas, a ne Maiar, što se može videti i iz dela "Lay of Lethian" iz History of the Middle-earth....
Hounds there were in Valinor
with silver collars. Hart and boar,
the fox and hare and nimble roe
there in the forests green did go.
Oromë was the lord divine
of all those woods.
Hounds untold
baying in woods beyond the West
of race immortal he possessed:
grey and limber, black and strong,
white with silken coats and long,
brown and brindled, swift and true
as arrow from a bow of yew
their voices like the deeptoned bells
that ring in Valmar's citadels,
their eyes like living jewels, their teeth
like ruel-bone.
In Tavros' (Oromë) friths and pastures green
had Huan once a young whelp been.
He grew the swiftest of the swift,
and Oromë gave him as a gift
to Celegorm, who loved to follow
the great God's horn o'er hill and hollow.
Alone of hounds of the Land of Light,
when sons of Feanor took to flight
and came into the North, he stayed
beside his master. Every raid
and every foray wild he shared,
and into mortal battle dared.
Often he saved his Gnomish lord
from Orc and wolf and leaping sword.
A wolf-hound, tireless, grey and fierce
he grew, his gleaming eyes would pierce
all shadows and all mist, the scent
moons old he found through fen and bent,
through rustling leaves and dusty sand
all paths of wide Beleriand he knew
But wolves, he loved them best
he loved to find their throats and wrest
their snarling lives and evil breath.
Vidi se da je dan na dat na poklon Kelegormu, što bi bilo unižavanje Maiara, koji su od Ainura.
Za vukodlake kaže se da su zli dusi u telima vukova, što je opet malo nejasno. Ali, jasno je da nisu Ainu. Da su Maiari, pozajmljivanje tela bi bilo suvišno, jer oni mogu da se "otelotvore". To su najverovatnije Morgotova stvorenja, koja je on, kao i 3 vrste zmajeva. Stoga, oni verovatno nemaju besmrtnu dušu.
Što se tiše vampira, veoma je moguće (bar ja mislim da je tačno) da je Turingvetil, Sauronov glasnik, Maiar, ali ostala "vampirolika" stvorenja su samo užasne životinje i postojanje njihove besmrtne duše je nejasno.
Postoji jedan problem u tome, a to je uloga Melkora kao demiurga, kreatora. Ako je Orke stvorio korupcijom vilenjaka, i ako oni definitivno imaju besmrtnu dušu, kako i od čega je stvorio takvu rasu kao što su Zmajevi, Uruloki, krilati zmajevi i ledeni zmajevi i imaju li oni dušu.
Orlovi takođe nisu Maiari. Valari su imali životinje (Orome jaše konja, a malo je verovatno da su jahali Maiare). Kao i vrane oni pripadaju Kelvar-ima, a Orlovi Manveovi su za sve životinje ono što su Enti za biljke. [/wave]
Oblique strategy number 56: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle.