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Prvo čitanje i ostale gluposti...

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Postod Aradela u Pet Sep 16, 2005 8:41 am

Kazes mi da moram da nestanem
Kao cvece koje negujem
Nista od mog imena da ne ostane
Nista slavno da ne postane
Ali jos su mlade baste koje zalivah
Pevace se opet pesme koje pevah.


moj blog http://doktorkabg.blogspot.com/[/color]
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Postod Elu Tingol u Pet Sep 16, 2005 11:12 am

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Postod Xerxes u Pet Sep 16, 2005 1:01 pm

Pos'o. Kuća. Birtija.
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Postod de Hammo u Pet Sep 16, 2005 2:27 pm

Gospodar prstenova i Hobit su romani/novele, kako god hocete da ih zovete. To sto je Hobit po nekima 'laksa' literatura u poredjenju sa GP ne znaci da je bajka. Tolkin je na njemu veoma studiozno radio, korigujuci ga sve do 1968., mislim. Ima tu 'mnogo vise od onog sto oko vidi' i gradje za 'ceo mesec ponedeljaka', samo je struktura i stil pisanja daleko lezernija i leprsavija.

Silmarilion je skoro kompletna gradja za jedan deo mita, gledan uglavnom sa vilovnjacke strane, dok su NP i HoMe  materijal nekorigovan od strane samog autora, koji ukljucuje i stare verzije rukopisa, odbacene od strane autora.
U prici o NP i HoMe, za koje je gradju odabrao i koje je prakticno slozio Kristofer Tolkin, nikako ne treba zaboraviti da Tolkinova porodica jos uvek ima jedan deo materijala koji nikada nije vidjen i koji verovatno nikada nece ni izaci na svetlo dana, tako da je i tu slika donekle zamucena.
Znaci, jedan lagano rezervisan pristup nije na odmet, jer cak ni Silmarilion a kamoli NP i HoMe ne predstavljaju definitivno 'kanonske' knjige, u onom smislu u kojem su to GP i H, jer su dovrseni rukom samog autora.

Ovo samo kao mala korekcija odredjivanja statusa knjiga...
Oblique strategy number 56: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle.
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Postod alcesta u Pet Sep 16, 2005 4:48 pm

A zasto ne bismo i Hobita mogli nazvati bajkom u obliku romana? To nije nikakvo potcenjivanje. :)
What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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Postod Nimrodel u Pet Sep 16, 2005 5:35 pm

Man   tare  antava   nin  Iluvatar,
Iluvatar,  enyare  tar  i   tyel  ire   Anarinya  qeluva?  
What  will  Iluvatar,  0  Iluvatar,  
give  me  in  that day  beyond the  end,
when my Sun faileth?
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Postod de Hammo u Pet Sep 16, 2005 8:04 pm

Oblique strategy number 56: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle.
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Postod alcesta u Pet Sep 16, 2005 8:34 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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Postod Xerxes u Sub Sep 17, 2005 3:09 am

Pos'o. Kuća. Birtija.
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Postod Fingolfin The Elf King u Sub Sep 17, 2005 12:41 pm

Perec je škljocnuo zubima, i pregledao sledeći list. To je takođe bilo naređenje: o posmrtnom administrativnom kažnjavanju - novčanom kaznom u visini četvoromesečne plate - psa vodiča oružane straže G. de Monmoransi "koji je nemarno dopustio sebi da ga uništi atmosfersko pražnjenje (munja)."
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 Re: Prvo čitanje i ostale gluposti...

Postod de Hammo u Sub Sep 17, 2005 8:47 pm

Uh, znam ja da ti ne mislis nista lose, ali opet imas malu gresku, u istoj recenici i istom kontekstu imas Carobnjaka iz Oza, koji je divan sam po sebi, i Alisu u zemlji iza ogledala, koja, ako je to moguce, ima manje elemenata bajke negoli cak i Alisa u zemlji cuda.

A sto se tice Murkoka i njegove kritike i zamerke, pa, svako ima pravo da kaze sta misli, ako ima obraza za to. Zavist, glupost, neobavestenost (malo poznata cinjenica je da je tek svako peti kriticar Tolkina procitao njegova dela), svi imamo pravo na to. Ja ne mogu a da ne odgovorim recima Patrika Karija (izvinjavajte sto necu prevoditi, ali mislim da je jasno):

"In other words, we are talking about a massively popular and succesful publishing phenomenon; all the more so when one of the books in question is half-a-million words long, and neither involves any big money or sex, explicit or otherwise - two ingredients now normally considered essential for bestsellers - let alone cannibalism, serial murder, sado-masochism or lawyers. (And how many such books will still be in print half a century after publication?...."
Oblique strategy number 56: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle.
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Postod Fingolfin The Elf King u Sub Sep 17, 2005 10:09 pm

Perec je škljocnuo zubima, i pregledao sledeći list. To je takođe bilo naređenje: o posmrtnom administrativnom kažnjavanju - novčanom kaznom u visini četvoromesečne plate - psa vodiča oružane straže G. de Monmoransi "koji je nemarno dopustio sebi da ga uništi atmosfersko pražnjenje (munja)."
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Postod alcesta u Ned Sep 18, 2005 6:38 pm

Sta je Epic Pooh?

Sto se Murkoka tice, nisam ga citala, ali ako mu se Tolkin ne svidja, a kuje u zvezde pojedine pisce o kojima nemam neko misljenje, sigurno je da se necu uzbudjivati oko njegovog ukusa. :P
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Postod Fingolfin The Elf King u Ned Sep 18, 2005 6:44 pm

Epic Pooh je Murkokov esej o epskoj fantastici... Evo linka http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.html?id=953 pa ko voli nek' izvoli...
Perec je škljocnuo zubima, i pregledao sledeći list. To je takođe bilo naređenje: o posmrtnom administrativnom kažnjavanju - novčanom kaznom u visini četvoromesečne plate - psa vodiča oružane straže G. de Monmoransi "koji je nemarno dopustio sebi da ga uništi atmosfersko pražnjenje (munja)."
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Postod alcesta u Ned Sep 18, 2005 7:52 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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