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 Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod shinik u Pet Jan 11, 2013 2:26 am

Potrebna mi je pomoc, resio sam da procitam knjige pa me interesuje koje knjige bi sve trebao da procitam i kojim redosledom, nisam uspeo da nadjem na forumu, ako je neko vec pitao nesto slicno dajte mi samo link pa da pogledam. Hvala unapred. Pozdrav!
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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod Aducabar u Pet Jan 11, 2013 10:34 am


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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod shinik u Pet Jan 11, 2013 1:34 pm

Hvala jos jednom!
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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod Mallorn u Čet Jan 31, 2013 8:00 am

Pošto još uvek pomalo pipam po mraku ovde, verovatno sam opet omašila da postoji topic za moje pitanje; doduše, pomislih da se ovakav naziv može iskoristiti za sve buduće nedoumice oko knjiga.

Pitanje oko Vešca-Kralja : Ako je proročantsvo reklo da No Man can kill him (ili ga raniti), a Hobit muškog pola uspeva da ga rani, zašto u tom slučaju Čarobnjak, Patuljak i Elf ne ispunjavaju taj uslov?

Jovajna je prilično sjajno rešenje te zagonetke, mnogo bolje nego Macbeth, što je profesoru bila inspiracija, ali me kopka zašto ne bi mogla i prethodno navedena bića.
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Grize čelik, žvaće gvožđe;
Melje kamen kao grožđe,
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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod alcesta u Čet Jan 31, 2013 5:46 pm

Pa hobiti nisu ljudi, kao što to nisu ni patuljci, vilovnjaci ili čarobnjaci. Ne radi se o polu nego o rasi, a ne možemo znati da ga ostali koji nisu ljudi iz Družine ne bi mogli ubiti ili makar raniti da je dotle došlo. :) Mislim da objašnjenje zašto ga pre toga nije ubio niko ko nije čovek više spada u kategoriju "bilo je suđeno".
Nisam sigurna da bi Tolkin priznao Magbeta kao inspiraciju s obzirom koliko je voleo Šekspira, osim možda za dolazak Enta :)
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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod Mallorn u Čet Jan 31, 2013 9:42 pm

Kapiram da se radi o rasi, samo sam nekako stekla utisak kao da su srednjozemljani svi protumačili to proročanstvo kao "niko živ ga ne može ubiti", maltene. Ali ima smisla to što kažeš, ispalo je da nije bilo suđeno drugačije.

U filmu je to još naglašenije, scena Gandalf i Pipin na terasi u Minas Tiritu, kada Gandalf implicira da on ne može da uništi Vešca. I konfrontacija Gandalfa i Vešca u bici - jesam li to samo ja, il je ispalo kako je Utvara moćnija od jednog Maje? Slomio mu je štap.

Prvo sam mislila da to ima veze sa Jedinim - dok god Prsten postoji, Utvare će "živeti". Ali Jovajna ga je efikasno capnula, ne? Nikad nisam uspela da prebrojim koliko se Nazgula obrušilo na vojsku kod Crne Kapije.

Negde sam davno čitala poređenje Macbethove zavrzlame (koju je Vilika razrešio carskim rezom) i Tolkina; nije bio sam Tolkin, al da me ubiješ ne mogu da se setim ko je autor. Samo mi ostala paralela u glavi.
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Ptice, zveri, stabla, cveće;
Grize čelik, žvaće gvožđe;
Melje kamen kao grožđe,
Kolje kraljeve, uništava gradove,
I ruši gorde planinske vrhove.
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 Re: Pomoc oko knjiga

Postod alcesta u Čet Jan 31, 2013 10:44 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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