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sta mislite,kako bi film Hobit izgledao??

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Postod Fingon u Sub Dec 27, 2003 12:09 am

Let the Sunshine In!!


Nute Gunray, viceroy of the Trade Federation, stood trembling in an alcove, blood-tinged tears streaming down his green-mottled cheeks. "The war...," he whimpered. "The war is over—Lord Sidious promised—he promised we would be left in peace..."
"His transmission was garbled." The blade came up. "He promised you would be left in pieces.''
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Postod Eärendil The Mariner u Sub Dec 27, 2003 1:47 am

Sing forever, proud and strong,
Anthem of life, conquering song.
Though times of fate onwards run,
The song of hope, once begun,
Will ever more remain...
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Postod Ora u Sub Dec 27, 2003 10:08 am

In the black wind the stars shall die,
and still on gold here let them lie,
till the dark lord lifts his hand
over dead sea and withered land.
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Postod makica u Sub Dec 27, 2003 3:11 pm

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Postod Eärendil The Mariner u Sub Dec 27, 2003 4:05 pm

Sing forever, proud and strong,
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Though times of fate onwards run,
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Will ever more remain...
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Postod makica u Sub Dec 27, 2003 4:56 pm

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Postod alcesta u Sub Dec 27, 2003 6:01 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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Postod Eärendil The Mariner u Sub Dec 27, 2003 8:24 pm

Sing forever, proud and strong,
Anthem of life, conquering song.
Though times of fate onwards run,
The song of hope, once begun,
Will ever more remain...
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Postod Eärendil The Mariner u Sub Dec 27, 2003 8:34 pm

Zaboravih još nešto povodom ovoga što reče alcesta: na Rottentomatoes.com forumu postoji izuzetno posjećena tema na kojoj učestvujem, koja se bavi postavljanjem i odgovaranjem na najraznovrsnija pitanja vezana za LOTR. Posjetioci su svih godišta i nivoa znanja Tolkien-a, a pitanja su jako konstruktivna i precizna: u FOTR se spominje da je Aragorn Dunedain, i nekog je zanimalo šta to znači; pitanja u vezi Vilenjaka, Prstenova, Silmarillion-a... Svako, ali SVAKO na koga sam naišao, pa čak i "glupi Ameri", čim odgledaju filmove - žele da im se stvari pojasne, da saznaju više, da otkriju magiju koja stoji iza cijele priče. Lako je napamet suditi, ja govorim samo iz iskustva.
Sing forever, proud and strong,
Anthem of life, conquering song.
Though times of fate onwards run,
The song of hope, once begun,
Will ever more remain...
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Postod Shieldmaiden u Sub Dec 27, 2003 9:13 pm

Makice mislim da preterujes.
Tvoje vidjenje filma je potpuno egoisticko. TI bi htela da vidis 6 filmova, TI bi htela ovo-ono.
Problem je sto milioni drugih gledalaca NE BI hteli da gledaju 6 filmova. Tako nesto bi propalo u startu. Zamisli da se druzina zavrsila Elrondovim savetom, mislis da bi iko hteo da gleda nastavak?
Filmovi bi propali bas kao sto je Bakshijeva adaptacija propala i tesko da bi smo ikada bili svedoci predivnog dolaska Rohirima na Pelenor ili fantasticne Golumove izvedbe, scena koje su same po sebi vredne gledanja filmova. Filmovi kakav je LotR ili (moguci) Hobit moraju biti komercijalni da bi opravdali ulozenu kolicinu novca.

Osim "love", kako ti kazes, ima tu jos necega, a to je ostvarivanje kreativnih i umetnickih pretenzija autora. Bolje raditi film po fantasticnoj knjizi nego po osrednjem i neoriginalnom scenariju. Reziser koji ulozi ogromne pare u film a doticni se ne isplati tesko da ce ikada dobiti istu priliku. Pogledaj sta se desilo Kevinu Kostneru - godinama se oporavljao od "Postara".
Zbog cega je toliki zlocin zaradjivati pare od uspesnih i kvalitetnih filmova? Pa 50% posto (ako ne i vise) filmova koji se godisnje snime su ili adaptacije knjiga ili stripova ili rimejkovi. U moru neoriginalnih scenarija mnogo su bolji oni radjeni po knjizevnim predloscima (sad, neki sa manje, neki sa vise uspeha). Po meni je mnogo veci zlocin utuci ogromne pare u film koji niko nece zeleti da gleda. To je bukvalno "money down the drain", a usput uglvnom znaci kraj karijere rezisera i producenata.

Radovacu se ako Hobit bude snimljen u P.J.-evoj reziji zato sto mislim da ce mu ta adaptacija cak vise "lezati". Osim sto ima vise komike, tu su mracni prizori u pecinama maglenih planina i zastrasujuca scena sa paucima (uzimajuci u obzir P.J.-evu araknofobiju ne sumnjam da bi bila strasna). Zasto menjati tim koji dobija? Ne mogu da zamislim ni jednog drugog Goluma na filmu do kreaciju Weta digitala i Endija Serkisa, kao i nijednog drugog glumca osim Jana Mekelena koji bi dostojno stao pod Gandalfov sesir. Kontinuitet bi bio prekinut i to prosto vishe ne bi bilo to.
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Postod Eärendil The Mariner u Ned Dec 28, 2003 12:27 am

Potpuno se slažem u vezi Hobita. Jedina "pipava" stvar u vezi cijele adaptacije bi bila razlika u stilu između GP i H, koja se najviše vidi u tretmanu Vilenjaka. Dok čitamo knjige, možemo se adaptirati znajući okolnosti nastanka ovih djela, ali svi će od Hobita očekivati prequel, što i nije loše samo po sebi, ali zahtijeva neki kontinuitet. Pogledajte samo kako se Lucas prosuo sa SW Ep. I i II, baš zbog te razlike i kontinuiteta, iako je ona u njegovom slučaju proistekla iz vremenskog razmaka od snimanja prva tri filma.
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Anthem of life, conquering song.
Though times of fate onwards run,
The song of hope, once begun,
Will ever more remain...
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Postod Arian u Ned Dec 28, 2003 8:41 am

Ako bude film sniman, sumnjam da ce se desiti u skorijoj buducnosti, poshto su svi glavni glumci zauzeti u naredne 2-3god, a bilo bi stupidno da npr. Gandalfa ili Bilba glumi neki drugi glumac

... gave me the perfect opportunity to listen and observe. Not to what people told me, which naturally was of no interest to me, but to whatever it was they were trying to hide. I practiced detachment. I learn how to look cheerful while under the table I stuck a fork onto the back of my hand. I became a virtuoso of deceit. I consulted the philosophers to find out what to think, and novelists to see what I could get away with, and in the end it all came down to one wonderfully simple principle: win or die.
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Postod makica u Ned Dec 28, 2003 7:33 pm

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Postod m.ACA.k u Ned Dec 28, 2003 9:38 pm

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Postod m.ACA.k u Ned Dec 28, 2003 9:41 pm

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